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It was pretty easy, just kind of like getting a visa anyplace else, but now with the new process you had to put down all kinds of information, you had to have your parent's birth date, maiden names, place of birth, all the information about your children, and talking about if you were in the military, what was your military record, what branch of service were you in, when did you serve, where did you go, very comprehensive and it took me like a week to get all the information together and I sent that down to the embassy in San Francisco to get a new visa and suddenly China announced oh we are going to un-cancel the cancellation if you have a visa it was okay to use that now so I had to cancel the application for the new visa and save a couple of hundred dollars, I had already spent a couple of hundred dollars at that point and to complete the application was going to be another couple Yeah, the new route, in fact I have to apply for a visa again now because my old one expired but it's much more complicated now than it was.