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That's a good question. You know what a meat grinder is, a home meat grinder that you clamp on the counter's edge and you put the meat on the top and you crank on this thing and it cranks out hamburger I guess is the primary purpose. Well you use that and you put cranberries in the top and you crank that thing out and you get fresh, fresh cranberry relish, basically. And I'm not sure what all is added to it, sugar for sure, and that makes by far the best. And then my second choice is what you just described, to take the top off the can and the bottom off the can and you push it out and it's a jelly, gelled anyway. I really like that. So any kind of cranberry goes great with a turkey dinner. Back to you Jack, W7VAS.