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tell you before I found audible I used to get those on tape and on CD and and then after a while they came out with the CD mp3 it's like you get an entire book on one CD because if you had a 10 12 hour book, you know, you've caught it take 9 10 CDs To go through that book and you know, you'd be listening to it and all this time They would say please take the CD out and place another CD in to continue with this book and I'm like, no. And then I'd have to find a CD and get it in there. I've probably listened to just as many on tape and CD through the library and through ones that I've purchased. But I'm glad the audible came out because it's a lot less expensive getting it through through audible than it is getting it on tape and CD