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Yeah, I had the, I think it was a model 110, I had that and then the one that really, you know I had a whole bunch of newer knives and some really nice ones and some expensive ones. But the one that really fried me, I had a 1976 Smith and Wesson commemorative back when Smith and Wesson had a custom shop. And I got that knife when I, gee, I was a teenager and carried that thing for years on a tool belt and have a beautiful sheath and anyway that's gone and that's just not replaceable there's nothing out there I found one online but there's only one anywhere on not etsy or ebay or anything but uh yeah that was the one that really chopped my hide so to speak