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Oh yeah, you know what happens to on contesting as well, is you start knowing and you start running into a full circle again where, oh you again, or you again, you again, you again. When you're with a club and you're working radio together, you definitely notice that for sure. So that is probably like I would say a minus side of the contesting shit and I really don't do it, but I'll still get together with some of the clubs. You know, I have a guy that calls me once in a while when they're going to do, well the other time, right? The other time it was antenna day, another time it was the field day stuff. I didn't do the winter contest this weekend so there's certain ones that I guess maybe they'll do or they'll sit out of. I think the group that I get with I don't think they're super super into the crazy elements like you know when it's like you're freezing your balls off or it's raining like a bitch I don't think they're into that but I guess I could say I'm not either so I guess that makes two of us well no no no since they're a club a few of us I guess that makes the ten of us or however many the F people there are in Kelowna or while also