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All right, you're into user interfaces and usability. Boy, I tell you, when I worked at Microsoft, I just was so disappointed in a lot of the guys. One time we had this experiment where we were taking what we were going to develop. They made a new paradigm for Visual Basic, how you make a form. And it used to be you would go to the form and drag a rectangle, and then it would ask you what you want to put in there. But they changed it to the new object-oriented way, where you had to know what you wanted, grab it from a pile of objects and drag it onto the screen, and then size it. And users hated it. They did the usability test. Users hated it, but Microsoft said, well, we've already written the software. We're going to deliver it that way. I'm like, why bother even doing the test if you're not going to listen to anybody? And they never changed it. I still like the original way. I feel like that's the kind of thing you would expect sort of as a nice, you know, intermediate level users. Like, I just want something right here this big and I'll choose it once I've done that. You know, why not? There's no reason. Object-oriented, sm object-oriented, it works. Any rate, I'm glad that you're interested in that and like to consider these things because it's very, very important. We make the same mistakes we've been making now for 30 years in programming user interfaces. Anyway, good to hear from you Robert and you have a good rest of your weekend. Let me drop.