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Well, see, like, there's Toronto hams that think that way where they haven't really did a revision for when they were last examined, so they just have to learn to include technology in the equation. So a lot of times, I'll run into them. I'm not mean to them. I kind of like to taunt them a little bit, right? But for the most part, yeah, I try to tell them Echo Link and All Stars and the rest of it, it's like streaming with a ham radio, right? Like when I try to explain it to them in terms of just regular radio, right? Like now we don't need clock radios and dryers and combs to listen to CFRB 1010, right? We could just ask for it on speakers and bring it up on the computer, bring it up on our phone with different things. So you're streaming in that way. So that's how I try to explain it to the sort of less technology informed people. But the other thing that I remembered where it was kind of, it kind of ended up being a taunt was the wind system. They're very mean, though they used to be, I don't know if they've just suddenly changed their attitude but at least in the 2000s they were mean about anyone who wasn't using RF. So one time I kind of just walked right into it. I didn't know they were like that. So I told the truth, right? I was like, well, I'm on my cordless phone right now. I'm using All Stars and I'm getting in through All Stars. There's a way for me to get in on my cordless phone I sort of explained it that way right and so they were just me and they were like sir this is an RF enabled system and you're only allowed in through RF and I might have said two more words and I found myself disconnected and then I got an email basically saying if I did that again I would be banned and then I went to one of their houses and burnt their houses No, I'm joking. So, I mean, so in that instance, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.