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I haven't been to a Lowe's, have you? I would say and start bringing out Halloween stuff to sell in their stores is how they kick off their year for that kind of stuff. I bought my Christmas tree in July. I needed a Christmas tree and they add them up at the hobby lobbies in July with a bunch of ornaments and everything, so they're getting started earlier every year, so yeah, by the time christmas really gets here and i remember you're kind of correct because i remember when um when i was a kid it was it was basically yeah december 1st or right around december 1st we beat we put that that kind of calendar up we have 25 days before christmas and that's where it all began and not anymore