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Yeah, that's the ones yeah, and that's how I've heard it pronounced his bask and asked the people at REI You know if they think they're good, and they said well We wouldn't even sell them if they weren't good, and I'm looking at him going yeah I know that but I mean you know personal experience. He goes. Oh, yeah. Yeah, no He's the guy I was talking to one time. He said yes. I love these boots these things You know had a 15 years or whatever so yeah, they really recommend those so yeah, I'd like to hear more about those