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I will say, when it comes to arthritic conditions, which I didn't know I had, by the way, it does hurt. After a while, though, you kind of phase past it and get used to some of it. But if you're super hurting, work with your doctors, regards that. Because with some people, it could bug them. In some cases, it may not as much. or in my case it's irritating and I don't like to go to the doctors unless I super have to and then I escape as soon as I'm done so that's generally what happens with me but you know I have one messed up knee yet needing to be fixed hopefully I get it done soon but I'm afraid with With the holidays going, I will have to lose some weight afterwards. KJ7EXM, back to Nat.