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I can only say that on the PICA balloon where there's a wire for an antenna, you can't even see it yet. It transmits on 20 meters at a half a watt and it transmits up to 10,000 kilometers at 13,000 feet. So something that shouldn't work, you can barely see it, yet it works great. So that's the 20 meters. On the PICA balloon, it transmits a half a watt and transmits up to 10,000 kilometers. Quite amazing feat. Back to NEST Control, one at Kowapa portable. VA7SL, it's a lot less than that, Emil. It's 26 milliwatts. 26,000th of a watt. That's considerably less.