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BA3KKY I think you might have left me out you might have left off Don KV2TQV I think well no he just went didn't he he did all right I don't think I have a real problem in culling the herd as it were because I've done it I've done it with pets that couldn't find homes and stuff like that I will tell you though that when my son of my son's my youngest son moved up here to Maine he decided was gonna get a cow and some goats and some chickens and you know sort of live off the land and so got himself a dozen chickens and it came and they laid eggs like you can't believe so we had so many eggs we didn't know what to do then it came time to you know butcher the chickens and he went round and round in his head about this this is the way he felt he's very tender guy and he bought this thing it's a cone a plastic cone and you screw it to the side of a tree it's a whole rig and what you do is you pick up the chicken you put them into the cone and their head sticks out the bottom and then you can just cut the neck and as you know when you when you kill a chicken like if you chop its head off something like that and then throw it on the ground it'll get up and run around for a little while it's a wonderful dinosaur DNA well I I knew that he had a problem when he was talking about how hard it was to get the chicken out of the cone yeah I just tried it out it was so difficult to get the chicken out of the cone but he never he never killed any of them as it turned out he didn't have to because cats and raccoons and other things fishers probably wiped him out one by one they all went away except for one Lucy Lucifer was a rooster and he he was the last to go it was very tough he was the last to go so he definitely had a problem doing that anyway back to you VA 3 take a why this is Casey to PKG