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When I was a little boy, if there was a crude space launch, we called the manned space launches back then because we didn't, you know, yep. Anyway, if there was a crude space launch, you can bet early in the morning before the station came up, you would find Roy, he's sitting in front of the black and white TV in the dark. Watching the astronauts ride the little van out to the launch pad to go up the elevator and it tensely elicited every word. I said Walter Cronkite and his colored commentators said, yeah, I was so into that. But so, yeah, since I couldn't be an astronaut and, you know, to that, really developed a love for technology. I had a career as working with computers and no, I didn't want to sit behind the desk with my head down all day. I wanted to play with the tape drives. So that's what I did. I had a lot of fun doing it. Then they gave me some interest.