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yeah I remember that that's been some time ago now I just I got a small circle of ham radio friends that I stick you know conversate with and try to talk to on the radio as much as possible so yeah I mean I I've been all over Echo Link also I found out that there's a couple of links or repeaters here and there they're good sources of open and other being able to talk into Europe and Russia and Japan all that stuff like that kind of intrigues me a bit