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to the clouds which for me was a brand new experience and of course I'm not allowed to do that but he flew up into the clouds and I remember looking to him, we were flying through the clouds and I said to him you are instrument rated right? Because yes of course I'm instrument rated. Okay that's a good time to ask you know when he's up. Yeah anyway we flew around, we landed, that was a very short flight but yeah interesting times. So yeah us VFR pilots are not allowed to fly into the clouds, we have to actively avoid clouds so. On a day like today, yeah no flying. Yeah okay. Oh well thanks Bert for checking in there, let's see anyone else for the 9 o'clock, name and call please. KF7 VWA.