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Whisk Alpha 7 Alpha Delta. Well Ron, aluminum is a great ground plane. It's not a counterpoint, it's more of a ground plane. I don't think the mag mount ties to the steel as electronically. I have an HF antenna I put on my trailer hitch in my truck. And it stands up to 31 feet. It's one of those things that pipes that screw together, they go up. And it uses my truck as a ground plane, it clips to it. And my truck's all aluminum and it is fantastic. Aluminum is a great conductor, a great ground plane. But you're right, the mag mount won't stick to it. So it's not so much a ground plane. Counterpoise is a ground plane to give your thing work. On my house, on my garden shed, I have my 2-meter antenna. That's just GP9. The base of it is touching the steel roof of the garden shed. And the only part of the garden shed is steel. And it works as a ground plane. I have a great signal on 2 meters, especially going the rough points north. And I think that's one of the reasons why. Anyway, that's my comments. Hope they're right. Don't know. And we're amateur in Canada, not radio anymore. Thanks Ron with scale for 7 Alpha Delta. And of course if you have the ability to change directionality, nothing works better than a nice Yagi antenna. I remember K7 LWA who used to be in this time slot, God bless, rest his soul. His wife Shelly made a wonderful helm brood Yagi that they had attached to their antenna there in the south end of Seattle. And it was vertically polarized so it would hit this repeated grid. Holy cow, it worked great. And he would run the net from an HT in his house. You know, and it worked quite well. Anyway, again, amateur antenna. That's what we do. Robert Michael, thanks. Alright, let's see if anybody else would like to join the 9 o'clock night. Naming call please.