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Oh, right, I understand now and yes, you know, I see a few more bucks for the more expensive one and you know, it all seems to work fingers crossed. I totally understand where you're coming from on that one for sure and yeah, I remember trying to manually sort of photograph or you know, sort of not deep sky objects without any auto tracking, any auto guidance from that. Well, that's where back when I started. So, you know, just leave the actual telescope fixed in a position and the camera open and you got the tracks across the photographic image. I remember doing that. My father was in photography and he had a developing room and all the stuff there to develop them. So, yeah, he developed my 38 millimetre film and back then of course, they looked absolutely fantastic but compared to what you can do these days, they look rather dated to put it mildly but it was great developing your own astronomical photographs. Okay there Roy, I don't do that anymore. Obviously. Okay, I'll say several things to you there Roy, thanks for popping in, great talking to you as always and as I'm going to say, clear skies and I hope it's clear skies for you there every night of the week and I keep praying for mine. You know, it doesn't seem to work. Okay, cheers there Roy, I'll say several things. I'm going to clear with KI7PKL over there in Portland and Oregon where the skies are apparently very, very clear indeed and that puts me down at the bottom of my list just checking the blue screen on netlog and see if anybody has requested a check in from there and that seems clear at the moment. So I'm going to put out another call for any further check ins through this evening's KB1 or the moment that you'd like to check in, please call now.