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No, I've never talked to him here. He's the one that told me about that he hangs out here on Echolink a little bit when he goes and uses Echolink. So he's the one that told me about it. No, I haven't talked to him here yet. So he said it's pretty popular. I'm not sure what it all involves or where it's at or what group or whatnot. But he said it's pretty popular. So he's the one that told me about it.