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All right, so that's how Russell got started. And Russell was doing it five days a week, maybe six. But Russell did it every day, and then we just kind of evolved from there. There was an issue at one point where a couple different hams had problems, and they were sending a lot of email and text off to Paul, and Paul got tired of it. So he shut everything down for a little while. We went to a couple other conferences here and there, nothing permanent. And then Daryl and I said, hey, I know Paul. Let me talk to Paul. And I did, because I'd seen him a couple of times and transported some USBs for him. And I said, hey, Paul, why don't you let me pay for the conference and take over the headaches for you. And he said, all right, well, if you pay for the conference, and I'll host it on my server. So that went for a while until Paul passed away. And then once his server wasn't getting paid no more, then we had to scramble, and that's when we got Mike from the Michigan network to let us in on his server. So that's sort of the history of the Kalabunga Net, what it was before the Breakfast Club Net, and how I took over as the owner of the Do-Drop-In conference. And then we ended up starting up the Do-Drop-In too as a backup. And it goes up and down. But this morning, some of these people have been out here.