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Okay, shit. Because those guys, they were hobbyists. So, they came through on a bunch of things for me. Even like when I, there was one year I needed tower work, and even though they didn't live anywhere where I lived, they stayed with me and they hooked me up with some guys from, I think TFM in Toronto or something. That they were down with. They came to my house and did stuff. So yeah, no, they were hobbyists. Besides just salesmen. So, yeah, they were excellent people to talk to working on a project. Plus it helped that I think the one guy was a ham. I think so because he used to always talk about the would-be amateur club. And then the other guys I said, he always talk about things he's taking apart and working on. So, at best, even though he might not have been a ham, he was a techie tech. Nothing wrong with that. We need more of those.