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Like a paper ham, it's like your exes, like your wives, like your daughters, they don't care, right? Like they get it, they, they, you know, it's something to conquer, it's a test, it's something to do, it's, it's a terrain to explore, and it's like boring afterwards. It, right? Because they weren't radio operators from the heart. So they don't care. So that's kind of the problem now, if you talk about new blood. So yeah, I mean they're making the licenses easier, but they're not, not working on people themselves. Examiners back in the day cared about what you liked, and based their examination of you on what you know, what you want to do. Like if you were an ex-CB'er, oh, maybe you like to do some DXing. There's hope for you. Right? If you, if you, if you're a techie tech, a nerdy nerd, there's hope for you. Right? Perhaps you could be an examiner too. But it isn't like that nowadays, right? It's like you'll get a ten-year-old that comes on because he thinks that, that he, you know, that it's a, that he can pass the test like a nerd, and then he doesn't care about it. So... I don't even propose I know what to do, because...