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Hello, Megan. Hello, all. This is Bill, KN4CWC. First and foremost, to answer your question, Anne, it's funny you're asking me because it's a long story, but I have had not a whole lot of formal O&M. I've lived in places where navigating as a blind person is hard to do. And so living here in Seattle is really one of the first places that I'm able to get around on my own really effectively, and it's been great. But what I will say, so to answer your first question first, have I been formally taught this? I don't think so. But what I tend to do in buildings like hotels or to find exits, things like that, I will listen for the elevator. You'll hear the doors open and close, and people will enter and exit the elevators, and that's kind of a good cue. Oftentimes, but not always, the stairwell entrance is either next to or more often across from the elevator. So that's kind of a good heuristic, I guess, in terms of what I do to find stairwells. But really, kind of in the absence of anything, just ask, I think is kind of my general way of being there.

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