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Yeah, I do have to say that the VoIP is super convenient And I find the people who are using VoIP and are like you that they're Tired of the HF issues or they're tired of the contesting and they want real interaction. They want to sit in the rag to Doesn't seem very many people on HF at least the ones on a hangout. There's a couple of nets that I found that are More rag chewy on on HF, but they're they're far away and they're hard for me to hit so But it's still you know, it's something it's It's why I got into the hobby. I want to play with HF you need to get myself a vertical antenna though and get tower up because My little n-fib half-wave man, I pick up a lot of noise and I can't get out to a lot of places