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my head copy back. I used to have it about 30 years ago and I'm out of practice so I kind of have to do it the hard way like sitting there writing things down and looking at that's what you know like I don't hear the words or anything anymore. However, the exchanges are very terps since CW that's you know they're as terps as the FT8 exchanges are just call fines and some numbers and but for me I'm trying to work up my ear and I like watching enough because I can copy you know the very clear like cinema verite things he just did do all things he puts up and Tana does all this stuff he talks a little bit while he's doing it and so if you want to see what it looks like for doing CW that's that that K4SWL videos on YouTube are possibly the best source I have to see how to do it.