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It can be. I mean it's a lot different than what it was when I first got started in jumping 40 years ago. There's a lot more owner operators out here. And a lot of Ken Wurts, a lot of Peter Biltz. And that's usually who the owner operators were. That's the kind of drugs they drove. And they were all extremely large cars. Just about every man who used to take that. And you just don't see that much anymore. That kind of thing.