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Often times they advertise podcasts. They advertise their podcasts. They advertise other people's podcasts. So it's a big business. And so that's funny that they do that. And yeah, there's a lot of it where like terrestrial radio is on live support. And I get criticized all the time. Debbie says, why are you listening to that garbage? Because she knows that I'll lamp out the boring talk radio. And some of it's boring, some of it isn't. Some of it's interesting. But she'll say, how do you listen to that nonsense? So, but there's shows that I like. There's some fly girls that do some shows that I like. Yeah, but why do you bother listening? So that's kind of what my dialogue with her is like. She disses on me for listening to talk.