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and roughing it. That has probably been a long time. I mean, I did a lot when I was in high school, junior high in high school, because this is in the Boy Scouts, did the camping and hiking trips. And then early on, I was a volunteer scout master, so I got to camp a couple times then. But other than that, just going out, sleeping in a tent in the wilderness has probably had to be 40, 45 years, probably at least, because my wife is not in the camping. And if we go somewhere, we'll stay in a hotel, because...