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Casey to PKG returning but briefly I hear this all the time from people that VHF and UHF in their area is dead nobody's talking on them and my solution to that is either provide your own super duper hotspot you know 30 to 50 watts and then hook it up talk to Daryl hook it up to the do drop in because people talking on the radio begets more people talking on the radio and if you can get in touch with the repeater owners you say you know why don't you connect you know we'll write a script and you connect from 6 30 in the morning until 10 and then you can disconnect and you'll have traffic on your repeater and that's what they really need so think about those things and I'll pass it back to you kj5 IRQ