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Okay Joel, KC7GHT, kilo 5 alpha alpha x-ray returning. I did know John but only through, and I lost two Johns recently. I did know him but only through the radio, not personally, whereas the other John, he worked in the vineyards. A great radio friend actually got my licence with him. He also passed away around the same time. I suppose that's how life goes, you know, early in life we go to a lot of 18th and 21st birthdays and then weddings and later in life we go to a lot of funerals sadly. Yeah he was a gentleman and a great radio operator, Joel. Over.