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Hey Rich, great to hear from you and yeah, you know you can use bronze wool or brass wool. The trouble is if those get wet then they tend to corrode where the stainless steel wool doesn't and that's why I recommend it. We had some friends over in Falometh which is you know across the hill from us here and yeah in Little Town, at any rate they had some serious rat and mouse infestation problems and they went through and used stainless steel wool and they have not had a critter one in that house ever since. And the nice thing is it will last virtually forever so that's why I recommend it. It costs, you know there's definitely a cost involved but as far as longevity it really does a nice job. So there you go, how's that? Because yeah brass wool, you know they all oxidize so that's why the stainless steel seems to be the... but any of them will work but it's just how long you want it to last. So there you go. Rich, great to hear from you. Switch us to the polo there and give them a little treat for me if you would and we will see you this evening on the Zoom McHugh and I'm just about to start the news from the high desert. So there you go. This is Kila Delta 7 Papa Whiskey Bravo Dave the High Desert Pirate Radio and hey I'm going to let it drop for just a second, come back with the news from the high desert also known as the announcements for the PSRG this morning and hey, yeah we'll get things continuing along. So let me let it drop and I'll be right back.