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Yeah, but at the same time it shouldn't be a business and if it's being run as a business and you're claiming 501 then that's another issue. But yeah I did get told by Cecil that it was basically a pay to use system and he wanted my credit card details you know. So I did say well I am English and he's on a cool link with it. So he sort of makes it available for people on Echo Link that they don't know what they're going to make with HI when he jumps on them. You know it's just like pay per view. I would just find it funny. But you know how many actually do that? Never been asked to pay before actually. I've been on many systems and they usually quite expect locals to pay I get that. But you know in England paying for a system that's in California it does stretch it a bit over.