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Well, they are walled of these because they are cruel, but who cares about being humane to things you are trying to kill. That's absurd. But these would be for rats and mice, but flies are no problem. They'll all nose around in it because it's sweet and well, it's sweet stuff. It probably tastes good if they even can, you know, it's not the last thing they taste. But anyway, it's appealing to them so you can usually get a whole load of them. Family, well if it's flies we're talking about, oh my god, you'd get colonies and colonies in them in just that one bowl. And then if it's mice and rats, well, you'd have to clean it up as soon as you get even one because they'll alert the others. This is repeater station kilo kilo seven November Quebec November. All star node 6222 located in Shelton, Washington. I had a wood burning stove and I had a lot of wood and they were, when I didn't want the wood to be on the ground so I put it up on some wooden skids so that it would be a little bit off the ground so it wouldn't rot. Anyway, the rats got in there because the bird feeder, we had a bird feeder and they were eating, I couldn't get rid of them and I had to shoot them. And I noticed once you shoot one of them then the rest stop. They don't even come around. You got to get rid of the dead one then they start coming around again. They aren't that stupid, you know. Once one gets knocked off the others turn chicken right away.