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optical discs. I'm with Anne on this. Yes, people who say pirate music for their own purposes, that's a weakness of it being easy, but the benefit to small time musicians more than makes up for that, because it's the only practical way for a long time and sort of still is for me not being famous enough to be in a streaming service to be able to make CDs for people, for my fans. I had my own, I did have fans, you know, I was just a little old local D-list performer in Marquette, Michigan, but you know I had my fans who always, they didn't want to make copies of my discs, they wanted to support me, and whether I was charging $10 or $5 or sometimes just giving away extras for free, if they bought a couple I'd throw another one in and things like that, but I am totally sympathetic. It's frustrating, it's disheartening that we've gone away from sound carrier units that a small time musician could actually make, and all the things I've talked too long, KX2-TW, Joe on Broadway, back to that.