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Oh that must be John HJQ, it's John HJQ, it's a good guy in Ottawa, Victoria. Anyways yeah they, well they're kind of on the losing team you know what I mean? But anyways they connect to a few nets I guess I'm a part of because no one's ever on that's why I say that. But I um, uh, SCARS on the weekend have their net and then they do their trivia on Saturday so I try to crappily get in on it. Because I'm not going to rock the house with their trivia. So yep that's good you listen to the ham conference that's good.