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G0W you are returning. Oh fantastic self-grame yeah I've just come across the post there with the picture. It's fascinating to hear what the experience you've had with it is. It's amazing some of the bits of tech that there are now available to us. It really is quite remarkable what's been able to be built and yeah as you say there's so often there's a you know because it's a lot of this stuff he's done as open source. You end up with 101 different variants of you know the various things available which is always quite interesting to see how different people develop the ideas and and say them but I'm fascinating that. I just happened to be doing something else got slightly distracted when you mentioned what it was before so I thought I would need to ask you again and and find out but yeah that's fascinating something I sure I'm going to keep their book