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every year at the convention he would do a slideshow and it was also, oh wow, I always wanted to be like him. Finally many many decades later, well maybe not as good as him but you know doing stuff like him anyway so I love it. KI-7, P.K.L. from T.W.A.T.S. said, oh yeah okay there right yeah I know when I'd finished the mirror I was treating it like you know with a load of TLC I didn't want to drop it. I have a voice I'd be crying but yeah we managed to do a Newtonian there with that particular mirror and had a slide off sort of a shed in the garden and it was on a hobby side.