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nothing down here in the last uh... i guess that we can have for so we have good goldy washer but they're not much as she goes i've seen that action and it does work uh... we were i played with it and actually we were using copper copper uh... single conductor wire you know like twelve gauge wire just bent it and then it correctly and walking around the field the pipe that was actually there and it was pretty amazing i was blown away so that stuff does work and that's all i got we're sitting there playing fd eight with my well by the way i did get my my pebbles hf working on uh... one fd eight that's that that monoban twenty meter transitive that i got from uh... uh... mike and uh... becky ham radio duo is about an hour bill to put it together and it does work it works fine but so five watts and sit here making contact with it on twenty meters of the bands are pretty crappy so anyway we'll say seven three for me and uh... maxwell edison here just jump off my lap