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quarter twenty fold and nothing goes into the back of them. They're really cool but we're going to we're going to resize them and she's going to resize them and I'll get the right measurements for the ones that I've got in here because this is Chinese and stuff so and they're not standard and I think that's the problem but when we were coming up here too I found that the Kenwood radio bounces around too much so I've got to fix that so I just fabricating another plate for it so no big deal. The one that came with is I can't believe how wimpy it is. I tried using the Kenwood stock mount in here for the 480HX and it just it just rattles like crazy and it's not the mount or anything else. It's the piece that goes between the mount and the back of the radio it's Kenwood stock so I've got a I got to come up with stuff better so anyway let me see