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Okay Virgil, I know you're probably going to cover it on the net but I'm curious now on the FK8 and FK4 those modes I think they're not only low power but they seem to punch through and get DX connection when the bands are down and when the bands are crappy do you seem to have better success with the FK8 and FK4 when the bands are down and how is that going to be affected when the sunspot cycle flips to minimum instead of maximum K4 CUP, KL7FR, QSL KL7FR from K4 CUP, yeah The last time that I've seen the last sunspot storm