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Sometimes I would say, so somebody doesn't want to do something, I say, I'll do it. I say, just do it. It's a Nike way. I'll do it. What is it going to do? Take my birthday away. This is one of my sayings. And then on the contrary, something that I can hope all at one that I get back, I will never get back and that is lost time. So as my pet piece, I would not work over time. And my boss knew that unless I absolutely had to, and it came with the territory. So I had to do it sometimes, but my boss knew I would not want to do it. And the other thing, something I hope I will never lose, okay, that is independence for sure and what it takes to make that happen.

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