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and running coming like Y-non-linx is a good fit either. That's always been hit to mess when I've tried to use it in the past. V3X-DB from GW8S ZL. Oh, very good Dave. Yep, the CPS, the programming, the program for programming, the radio is a Windows program. And if I had it, I could obviously get at it. I also, I'm looking for a, I put out a call to some local friends here to borrow one, because I have another DMR radio that I kind of bricked by trying to install G-77, OpenG-77 on it, and it didn't work very well. So I need to restore the old firmware, and that too needs Windows.