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Well, maybe he got to where he was going, but anyway, he was just in here to say I did Jeff. But anyway, I've talked to Ed before, but yeah, these big-time expeditions and then, you know, then they charge the QSL cards to you. That's relatively new. That's probably 5 or 10 years old now. And then you got club log and all that other stuff, and that's another way. They raise money for these things. Yeah, I saw some comments online about the expedition charging for the QSL card, so yeah, I don't remember that in the past, but maybe it's been a thing.