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two years before we told ours and of course they go walking down Fort Wharton in that RV park down there along the beach up by the lighthouse and they keep on talking about it keep on talking about it you know getting another one and keep on talking about it every time we go there we say well we're thinking about getting our feet well finally we went up there a couple weeks ago and I did buy one it was it's a short one it's like a 22 foot or 24 foot bumper pole no tip outs or anything fairly lightweight and so I'll have to contact them they were going to go they were going to take them they're made in voyage down to Fort Wharton which isn't very far of course so it's just to test all the systems out but at least they went back to it Kathy and I we probably still not interested in going back to that