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named Harold K A7 MZA. He was a World War II radio operator, CW guy to the core and I didn't have a car and he would use to drive me to the club meetings. And so he had an H.S. rig and he would do mobile CW. So he had an H.F.N.10 on the back of his car. And anyway he would turn off just turn on the oscillator you know and it would send CW off. He was driving me to the club meetings and he would say okay this is 18 words a minute and he would send you know or 13 words a minute or whatever. Over a time he would keep saying okay now this is 18 this is 20 and I was like okay I can't copy 20. There's no way you know and what I didn't know is that he would say something like oh this is here's 13 words a minute and he would start turning 13 worth a minute and then he would turn the you know the speed and