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feel like they're forced to because of the license requirement. And I think there was a lot of resentment about, I have to use this mode that who the heck uses this anymore. But now you've got all these PODA and PODA people that want to do efficient communications. And I actually think it's really interesting. I feel like CW is probably more vibrant now than it was 20 years ago. And I actually, what's the name of the K7 LED newsletter? But they just printed it. I actually submitted an article. And it got printed in there. And it basically talks about that. It's like, OK, I was off the air for 11 years. And I came back and it's like, man, CW is like super popular. There's all these YouTube videos on CW. And PODA is this big thing that I never heard of 11 years ago because it wasn't a thing. And in that halfway then has it. I think it over.