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And then Virgid L for 160 is really good. I have worked Scotland on 160 and I was at the bottom of the sunspot cycle and I had to run my amps and I got a minus 24 and it was all on FTA so I laugh about that because it was like I just barely did it and it was right exactly at their sunrise and stuff but you know we pulled it off and it's confirmed and I've also worked lots of Japanese stations on 160 and stuff like that as well and even with the antenna at its height it is bad. It works really good for local on 160 as well so kind of use it for