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vertical and it works like a charm on all the bands because it's got parallel different links radiators so it is amazing blows my mind and 7 RLV okay 70 RL I'll grab you in just a second Doug I just want to say that pretty much I believe that the X commander antennas are also using that same sort of layout though much more compacted come ahead Doug I stole my thunder and rigor and exactly what I was gonna say sounds like a DX commander copy KK7 VRS KK7, KK7, Mromio come David so I am the resident DX commander fanboy I'm staring at my 12.4 meter at DX commander my window yes is like a