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and high-tech and high-tech QRP it's more than a WRP but I run a very long capital and we're all over craziness and I experimented with its layout, just what was GDC possible to get a good SDWR and that also seemed to work past forgetting out so it's going to find its own counterpoint and I prefer to give it a little bit to find its own N7RLD yeah I kind of agree with that kind of like you know wanting to find its way to ground and obviously the electrons are sort of the same thing Mike what do you think?