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Over voice calls for that echolink and all the star link and all sorts of stuff. Yes, I agree with you and that is 100% true. And that's one fall down point that a lot of people probably realize that are taking the risk of but yeah, it's I don't know if you've heard of the Ham Wann system, H A M W A N. It's a wireless internet service I guess you could call it or experiment that's all over Western Washington. That's actually how we get our internet on our repeater.