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the past and trash, the shielding and stuff is not there by a lot of regulations which doesn't help. Well yeah, when you drive around Seattle on HF, I mean even with the feed line choke and all the engineering stuff that I did, best engineering practices, I think that is a claim all that with, but even with all that, the noise level in Seattle barely drops below that five and it's usually above that. HF noise is a huge problem for anybody that wants to enjoy the HF, you know, in a lot of places and live in the city especially. Oh I can appreciate that, I had similar problems when I lived in Seattle.